Special guest Lily Smith joins Lili, Hannah, and Jakob to discuss how and when to be empathic when bad things happen to "bad people". In the wake of the death of Rush Limbaugh, of whom no one on the panel can boast fandom, the IDEAS Pod dives into the limits of empathy. Empathy for Trump or BoJo or Bolsonaro with Covid? What to do about the Golden Rule in polarized times?